{"id":6816,"date":"2012-05-25T07:28:42","date_gmt":"2012-05-25T06:28:42","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=6816"},"modified":"2012-05-25T07:31:29","modified_gmt":"2012-05-25T06:31:29","slug":"the-mechanism-in-4d-of-the-reaction-between-thionyl-chloride-and-a-carboxylic-acid","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.ch.ic.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=6816","title":{"rendered":"The mechanism (in 4D) of the reaction between thionyl chloride and a carboxylic acid."},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"kcite-section\" kcite-section-id=\"6816\">\n<p>If you have not previously visited, take a look at Nick Greeves&#8217; <a title=\"ChemTube3D\" href=\"http:\/\/www.chemtube3d.com\/Acid_Chloride_Formation_Thionyl_Chloride.html\" target=\"_blank\">ChemTube3D<\/a>\u00a0, an\u00a0ever-expanding gallery of reactions and their mechanisms. The <strong>3D<\/strong> is because all molecules are offered with X, Y <em>and<\/em> z coordinates. You also get arrow pushing<sup>\u2021<\/sup>\u00a0in 3D. Here, I argue that we should adopt Einstein, and go to the space-time continuum! By this, I mean one must also include the order in which things happen. To my knowledge, no compendium of\u00a0(organic) reaction mechanisms incorporates this 4th dimension. My\u00a0<a title=\"Surprises (?) in the addition of HCl to a carbonyl group.\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=6794\" target=\"_blank\">prelude to this post<\/a> nicely illustrated this latter aspect. Here I continue with an exploration of the mechanism of forming an acyl chloride from a carboxylic acid using thionyl chloride. The mechanism shown at ChemTube3D is as below and will now be tested for its reasonableness using quantum mechanics.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/thionyl.svg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter  wp-image-6825\" title=\"thionyl\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/thionyl.svg\" alt=\"\" width=\"318\" height=\"225\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Step (a, R=Me) is shown below (<a title=\"InChIKey=SRRBTFVQSZEFRN-UHFFFAOYSA-N\" href=\"http:\/\/hdl.handle.net\/10042\/to-13999\" target=\"_blank\">\u03c9B97XD\/6-311G(d,p)\/SCRF=acetic acid<\/a>);<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter  wp-image-6829\" title=\"thionyl1\" onclick=\"jmolInitialize('..\/Jmol\/');jmolSetAppletColor('white');jmolApplet([450,450],'load wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/thionyl-a-1622.809530.log;frame 19; zoom 100;connect (atomno=5) (atomno=6) partial;connect (atomno=1) (atomno=6) partial;connect (atomno=5) (atomno=4) partial;vectors on;vectors 4;vectors scale 5.0; color vectors yellow; vibration 20;animation mode loop;');\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/thionyl1.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"312\" height=\"174\" \/><\/p>\n<table style=\"margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;\" border=\"0\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/thionyl1e.svg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter  wp-image-6832\" title=\"thionyl1e\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/thionyl1e.svg\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/thionyl1g.svg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter  wp-image-6833\" title=\"thionyl1g\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/thionyl1g.svg\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<ol>\n<li>From IRC -6 to -2, the oxygen of the acid carbonyl approaches the sulfur.\u00a0<\/li>\n<li>IRC -2 then shows one chlorine to start move towards the OH, and the sulfur now adopts a &#8220;figure T&#8221; coordination.<\/li>\n<li>By IRC +2, the O&#8230;H&#8230;Cl angle has become almost linear, which is the optimum geometry for a proton transfer<\/li>\n<li>At IRC +3, the proton transfer from O to Cl is about half complete&#8230;<\/li>\n<li>A process largely complete by IRC +4.5<\/li>\n<li>Some residual activity takes place on the methyl group, which reorients itself with respect to the adjacent C-O bonds.<\/li>\n<li>The free energy barrier \u0394G is 21.9 kcal\/mol, which perhaps might be lowered if a solvation model including explicit hydrogen bonds were to be used.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<div>Step (b) is related to the mechanism shown in the\u00a0<a title=\"Surprises (?) in the addition of HCl to a carbonyl group.\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=6794\" target=\"_blank\">previous post<\/a>, differing only in one aspect.<sup>\u20aa<\/sup> Step (c, R=Me) <a href=\"http:\/\/hdl.handle.net\/10042\/to-14000\" target=\"_blank\">completes the reaction<\/a>:<\/div>\n<div><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter  wp-image-6841\" title=\"thionyl-c\" onclick=\"jmolInitialize('..\/Jmol\/');jmolSetAppletColor('white');jmolApplet([450,450],'load wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/thionyl-c-1622.798642.log;frame 3; zoom 100;connect (atomno=4) (atomno=1) partial;connect (atomno=3) (atomno=5) partial;connect (atomno=5) (atomno=11) partial;connect (atomno=2) (atomno=11) partial;vectors on;vectors 4;vectors scale 5.0; color vectors yellow; vibration 20;animation mode loop;');\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/thionyl-c.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"282\" height=\"209\" \/><\/div>\n<table style=\"margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;\" border=\"0\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/thionyl-c.svg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter  wp-image-6843\" title=\"thionyl-c\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/thionyl-c.svg\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/thionyl-cg.svg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter  wp-image-6844\" title=\"thionyl-cg\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/thionyl-cg.svg\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<ol>\n<li>The initial feature (IRC -2 to 0.0) is the cleavage of the C-O bond (1.862\u00c5 at the transition state)<\/li>\n<li>This point is 28.7 kcal higher in \u0394G than the initial reactants, and is the highest energy point in the mechanism. As noted earlier, additional solvation-stabilisation involving discrete hydrogen bonds from <em>e.g.<\/em> acetic acid, is likely to lower this energy.<\/li>\n<li>This is followed (IRC +1.0 to +2.0) by a proton transfer from oxygen to chlorine.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<div>Overall then, the scheme shown in ChemTube3D is reflected in reasonable energies calculated using quantum mechanics. The latter of course adds that fourth dimension, and gives us more insight into the order in which things happen. And I should add of course that simply because the mechanism shown here is reasonable, it does not exclude pathways which might be even lower in energy; it is indeed difficult to prove there is no other mechanism of (global) lower energy.<\/div>\n<hr \/>\n<p><sup>\u2021<\/sup> I have discussed <a title=\"Secrets of a university tutor: (curly) arrow pushing\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=2737\" target=\"_blank\">elsewhere<\/a> the conventions used in arrow pushing. Nick uses the &#8220;American system&#8221; , whereas in this blog, I use a system I will call the <em>Charles Rees<\/em> method. I prefer this one, since it nicely maps onto more elaborate ways of identifying electron pairs in molecules, such as ELF and QTAIM, which themselves are based on quantum mechanics. Nick&#8217;s system differs mostly in the end-point for the arrows which he directs towards atoms whereas I direct them towards bonds. It might also be an interesting discussion point as to what criteria should be used to define three-dimensional arrow pushing; in effect the path that the arrow takes and what (pedagogic) meaning this might have.<\/p>\n<p><sup>\u20aa<\/sup> Following the initial proton transfer from Cl to oxygen, a very shallow minimum ion-pair is formed as a prelude to forming the C-Cl bond in a second step. 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