{"id":17633,"date":"2017-03-10T20:14:22","date_gmt":"2017-03-10T20:14:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=17633"},"modified":"2017-03-12T09:06:03","modified_gmt":"2017-03-12T09:06:03","slug":"george-olah-and-the-norbornyl-cation","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.ch.ic.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=17633","title":{"rendered":"George Olah and the norbornyl cation."},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"kcite-section\" kcite-section-id=\"17633\">\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/George_Andrew_Olah\" target=\"_blank\">George Olah<\/a> passed away on March 8th. He was part of the generation of scientists in the post-war 1950s who had access to chemical instrumentation that truly revolutionised chemistry. In particular he showed how the then newly available NMR spectroscopy illuminated structures of cations in solvents such &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/magic acid\">Magic acid<\/a>&#8220;. The obituaries will probably mention his famous &#8220;feud&#8221; with H. C. Brown over the structure of the norbornyl cation (X=CH<sub>2<\/sub><sup>+<\/sup>), implicated in the mechanism of many a solvolysis reaction that characterised the golden period of physical organic chemistry just before and after WWII.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.ch.ic.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/03\/norbornyl.svg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-17639\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.ic.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/03\/norbornyl.svg\" alt=\"\" width=\"200\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The dispute between Olah and Brown was not played on a pitch using quite the same goal posts. Olah did much of his work in magic acid and Brown did his in aqueous solutions. I was involved in a tiny way when the discussion about the precise character of the norbornyl cation was reaching its peak in the mid 1970s. At the time, I was working with Michael Dewar, who was himself not shy in\u00a0joining in the fun and sometimes very acrimonious disputes at conferences. We contributed by calculating the so-called core-electron carbon ESCA spectrum.<span id=\"cite_ITEM-17633-0\" name=\"citation\"><a href=\"#ITEM-17633-0\">[1]<\/a><\/span> History records that we came down on the wrong side,<sup>\u2021<\/sup> by suggesting that this form of spectroscopy supported\u00a0Brown rather than Winstein\/Olah on the basis of a 6:1 spectral deconvolution (classical) rather than 5:2 (non-classical). More recently of course the crystal structure of the parent cation itself has been shown to be non-classical<span id=\"cite_ITEM-17633-1\" name=\"citation\"><a href=\"#ITEM-17633-1\">[2]<\/a><\/span> (there are other crystal structures\u00a0which differ in respect to having one or more additional methyl groups<span id=\"cite_ITEM-17633-2\" name=\"citation\"><a href=\"#ITEM-17633-2\">[3]<\/a><\/span>). For a 3D model of norbornyl cation, see DOI:\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.5517\/CCZ21LN\">10.5517\/CCZ21LN<\/a>. This still leaves the issue (very slightly) open for the structure of the solvated cation when formed in water!\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>When I started to teach a course in molecular modelling, I touched briefly on how modelling could contribute and whilst updating\u00a0the notes in the 1990s, wondered why the boron analogue had never been so studied\u00a0(X=BH<sub>2<\/sub>). Unlike the crystallographically\u00a0difficult\u00a0norbornyl ion-pair, the iso-electronic boron species would be neutral and not need a counter-ion. Perhaps it might be a more manageable molecule? Checking the Cambridge structural database, such a species has never been reported!<sup>&dagger;<\/sup> So here as my homage to Olah, I report its calculated structure (b2plypd3\/Def2-TZVPP, DOI:\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.14469\/hpc\/2236\">10.14469\/hpc\/2236<\/a>).<i class=\"fa fa-quote-left\"><\/i><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-17649\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.ic.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/03\/147-1024x756.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.ch.ic.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/03\/147-1024x756.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.ch.ic.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/03\/147-300x222.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.ch.ic.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/03\/147-768x567.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.ch.ic.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/03\/147.jpg 1644w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>The norbornyl cation has symmetrical C-C bridging distances of ~1.80\u00b10.02\u00c5 and a basal C-C distance of ~1.39\u00b10.02\u00c5. The calculated values for the boron equivalent are 2.16\u00c5 and\u00a01.36\u00c5 respectively, with all positive force constants. B-C bonds are normally 1.66-1.72\u00c5, significantly\u00a0longer than C-C bonds, which makes the longer B-C lengths in this example unsurprising. More interestingly, the species has one vibrational normal mode (\u03bd 203 cm<sup>-1<\/sup>) which corresponds to the [1,2] shift\u00a0of the BH<sub>2\u00a0<\/sub>group across the basal C-C. For a classical species, this vibrational motion would correspond to a transition state (an imaginary vibration) but for a non-classical species it is of course real. In this sense it is analogous to the so-called real <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=12560\">Kekul\u00e9 mode<\/a> in non-classical benzene, which &#8220;equilibrates&#8221; the two classical Kekul\u00e9 structures. The corresponding calculated vibration for the norbornyl cation itself is \u03bd 194 cm<sup>-1<\/sup> (DOI: <a href=\"http:\/\/doi.org\/10.14469\/hpc\/2238\">10.14469\/hpc\/2238<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>Of course, the entire controversy over the structure of this species is littered with comparisons between not quite similar systems, differing in a methyl group more or less. So morphing a C<sup>+<\/sup> to a B might be seen as quite a large change. But perhaps if it had been crystallised\u00a0in say the 1960s, would the subsequent debates have taken a different turn?<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p><sup>\u2021<\/sup> We were also wrong about the symmetry of the Diels-Alder cyclisation, which is nowadays accepted to be synchronous rather than asynchronous for simple \u00a0Diels-Alder reactions. But that is another story.<\/p>\n<p><sup>&dagger;<\/sup>GAXLIA is perhaps the closest analogue.<span id=\"cite_ITEM-17633-3\" name=\"citation\"><a href=\"#ITEM-17633-3\">[4]<\/a><\/span>,<\/p>\n<h2>References<\/h2>\n    <ol class=\"kcite-bibliography csl-bib-body\"><li id=\"ITEM-17633-0\">M.J.S. Dewar, R.C. Haddon, A. Komornicki, and H. Rzepa, \"Ground states of molecules. 34. MINDO\/3 calculations for nonclassical ions\", <i>Journal of the American Chemical Society<\/i>, vol. 99, pp. 377-385, 1977. <a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1021\/ja00444a012\">https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1021\/ja00444a012<\/a>\n\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"ITEM-17633-1\"><a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/\">https:\/\/doi.org\/<\/a>\n\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"ITEM-17633-2\">T. Laube, \"Redetermination of the Crystal Structure of the 1,2,4,7\u2010&lt;i&gt;anti&lt;\/i&gt;\u2010tetramethylbicyclo[2.2.1]heptan\u20102\u2010yl cation at 110 K\", <i>Helvetica Chimica Acta<\/i>, vol. 77, pp. 943-956, 1994. <a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1002\/hlca.19940770407\">https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1002\/hlca.19940770407<\/a>\n\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"ITEM-17633-3\">P.J. Fagan, E.G. Burns, and J.C. Calabrese, \"Synthesis of boroles and their use in low-temperature Diels-Alder reactions with unactivated alkenes\", <i>Journal of the American Chemical Society<\/i>, vol. 110, pp. 2979-2981, 1988. <a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1021\/ja00217a053\">https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1021\/ja00217a053<\/a>\n\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n<\/div> <!-- kcite-section 17633 -->","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>George Olah passed away on March 8th. He was part of the generation of scientists in the post-war 1950s who had access to chemical instrumentation that truly revolutionised chemistry. 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