{"id":13645,"date":"2015-03-17T21:40:10","date_gmt":"2015-03-17T21:40:10","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=13645"},"modified":"2015-03-18T11:14:08","modified_gmt":"2015-03-18T11:14:08","slug":"a-5-high-straight-flush-of-water-ionised-acids","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.ch.ic.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=13645","title":{"rendered":"A 5-high straight flush of water-ionised acids?"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"kcite-section\" kcite-section-id=\"13645\">\n<p>I do not play poker,<sup>\u2021<\/sup> and so I had to look up a 5-4-3-<span style=\"color: #ff6600;\"><strong>2<\/strong><\/span>-1(A), which Wikipedia informs me is a <em>5-high straight flush<\/em>, also apparently known as a <em>steel wheel<\/em>. In <a title=\"Ionizing ultra-strong acids with water molecules.\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=13618\" target=\"_blank\">previous posts<\/a> \u00a0I have suggested acids which can be ionised by (probably)\u00a05, 4, 3 or \u00a01 discrete water molecules in the gas phase; now to try to track down\u00a0\u00a0a candidate for ionisation by the required\u00a0<strong>two<\/strong> water molecules to form\u00a0that straight flush.<\/p>\n<p>As the counter-anion to quaternary ammonium cations, <em>bis<\/em>(trifluoromethylsulfonyl)imide is a component of some ionic liquids. Its conjugate acid is thought<span id=\"cite_ITEM-13645-0\" name=\"citation\"><a href=\"#ITEM-13645-0\">[1]<\/a><\/span>,<span id=\"cite_ITEM-13645-1\" name=\"citation\"><a href=\"#ITEM-13645-1\">[2]<\/a><\/span> to protonate on the nitrogen.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_13648\" style=\"width: 360px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-13648\" class=\"size-full wp-image-13648\" onclick=\"jmolInitialize('..\/Jmol\/');jmolSetAppletColor('white');jmolApplet([450,450],'load wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/ZURWEO.cif;spin 3;');\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.ic.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/ZURWEO.jpg\" alt=\"Click for 3D\" width=\"350\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.ch.ic.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/ZURWEO.jpg 915w, https:\/\/www.ch.ic.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/ZURWEO-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.ch.ic.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/ZURWEO-900x674.jpg 900w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 915px) 100vw, 915px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-13648\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Click for 3D<\/p><\/div>\n<p>My first obvious attempt was to place two waters near that N-H to see if it would ionise from that position.<span id=\"cite_ITEM-13645-2\" name=\"citation\"><a href=\"#ITEM-13645-2\">[3]<\/a><\/span> The proton remains attached to the nitrogen(-:<br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-13652\" onclick=\"jmolInitialize('..\/Jmol\/');jmolSetAppletColor('white');jmolApplet([450,450],'load wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/SA-1980.692296.log;frame 74;spin 3;');\"  src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.ic.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/ZURWEO-N.jpg\" alt=\"ZURWEO-N\" width=\"350\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.ch.ic.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/ZURWEO-N.jpg 696w, https:\/\/www.ch.ic.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/ZURWEO-N-287x300.jpg 287w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 696px) 100vw, 696px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Next, how about re-locating the waters so that they are closer to the sulfonyl oxygens? This time we do have the characteristic hydronium cation forming.<span id=\"cite_ITEM-13645-3\" name=\"citation\"><a href=\"#ITEM-13645-3\">[4]<\/a><\/span> However, the free energy of this isomer is +6.7 kcal\/mol\u00a0higher relative to the NH form. So not a\u00a0<em>5-high straight flush<\/em> in a strict sense, but it perhaps does give a hint of how one might design the missing card.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_13655\" style=\"width: 360px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-13655\" class=\"size-full wp-image-13655\" onclick=\"jmolInitialize('..\/Jmol\/');jmolSetAppletColor('white');jmolApplet([450,450],'load wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/SA-1980.681613.log;frame 110;spin 3;');\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.ic.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/SA.jpg\" alt=\"Click for 3D\" width=\"350\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.ch.ic.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/SA.jpg 416w, https:\/\/www.ch.ic.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/SA-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.ch.ic.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/SA-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.ch.ic.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/SA-144x144.jpg 144w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 416px) 100vw, 416px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-13655\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Click for 3D<\/p><\/div>\n<hr \/>\n<p><sup>\u2021<\/sup>Confession time. I did spend many a Wednesday afternoon as an undergraduate playing the card game bridge.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h2>References<\/h2>\n    <ol class=\"kcite-bibliography csl-bib-body\"><li id=\"ITEM-13645-0\">\"Structures of bis(fluorosulfonyl)imide HN(SO&lt;sub&gt;2&lt;\/sub&gt;F)&lt;sub&gt;2&lt;\/sub&gt;, bis(trifluoromethylsulfonyl)imide HN(SO&lt;sub&gt;2&lt;\/sub&gt;CF&lt;sub&gt;3&lt;\/sub&gt;)&lt;sub&gt;2&lt;\/sub&gt;, and their potassium salts at 150 K\", <i>Zeitschrift f\u00fcr Kristallographie - Crystalline Materials<\/i>, vol. 213, pp. 217-222, 1998. <a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1524\/zkri.1998.213.4.217\">https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1524\/zkri.1998.213.4.217<\/a>\n\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"ITEM-13645-1\">Zak, Z.., and Ruzicka, A.., \"CCDC 119129: Experimental Crystal Structure Determination\", 1999. <a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.5517\/cc3zyww\">https:\/\/doi.org\/10.5517\/cc3zyww<\/a>\n\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"ITEM-13645-2\">H.S. Rzepa, \"C 2 H 5 F 6 N 1 O 6 S 2\", 2015. <a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.14469\/ch\/191136\">https:\/\/doi.org\/10.14469\/ch\/191136<\/a>\n\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"ITEM-13645-3\">H.S. Rzepa, \"C 2 H 5 F 6 N 1 O 6 S 2\", 2015. <a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.14469\/ch\/191137\">https:\/\/doi.org\/10.14469\/ch\/191137<\/a>\n\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n<\/div> <!-- kcite-section 13645 -->","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I do not play poker,\u2021 and so I had to look up a 5-4-3-2-1(A), which Wikipedia informs me is a 5-high straight flush, also apparently known as a steel wheel. 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