{"id":11331,"date":"2013-10-02T21:36:03","date_gmt":"2013-10-02T20:36:03","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=11331"},"modified":"2013-10-17T08:58:17","modified_gmt":"2013-10-17T07:58:17","slug":"a-short-non-bonding-h-h-interaction-continued","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.ch.ic.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=11331","title":{"rendered":"A short non-bonding H&#8230;H interaction  (continued)"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"kcite-section\" kcite-section-id=\"11331\">\n<p>This is a continuation of the discussion started on <a href=\"http:\/\/comporgchem.com\/blog\/?p=2853\" target=\"_blank\">Steve Bachrach&#8217;s blog<\/a> about a molecule with a very short H&#8230;H interaction involving two Si-H groups with enforced proximity. It had been inferred from the X-ray structure<span id=\"cite_ITEM-11331-0\" name=\"citation\"><a href=\"#ITEM-11331-0\">[1]<\/a><\/span> that the H&#8230;H distance was in the region of 1.50\u00c5. It&#8217;s that <a title=\"Are close H\u2026H contacts bonds? The d\u00e9nouement!\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=5040\" target=\"_blank\">cis-butene<\/a> all over again! So is that H&#8230;H region a bond? Is it attractive or repulsive? Go read Steve&#8217;s blog first.<\/p>\n<p>Next, in the previous post, I had <a title=\"Publishing a procedure with a doi.\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=11316\" target=\"_blank\">blogged<\/a> about assigning a publication doi to a procedure or tool. So Steve&#8217;s post provided a good opportunity to show how this might work. This is the tool doi: <a href=\"http:\/\/doi.org\/10.6084\/m9.figshare.811862\">10.6084\/m9.figshare.811862<\/a>\u00a0 Using it, and another doi, this time data:\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/dx.doi.org\/10.6084\/m9.figshare.812621\" target=\"_blank\">10.6084\/m9.figshare.812621<\/a>\u00a0we can create a new data set, visualised below.<sup>\u2021<\/sup> This is the NCI (non-covalent-interaction)<span id=\"cite_ITEM-11331-1\" name=\"citation\"><a href=\"#ITEM-11331-1\">[2]<\/a><\/span> isosurface of the reduced density gradient, and colour coded\u00a0according to\u00a0(\u03bb<sub>2<\/sub>)\u03c1, the\u00a0eigenvalue of the density Hessian, to indicate attraction or repulsion. You should know that according to this scheme, blue is strongly attractive (it is normally seen for example for <a title=\"The inner secrets of the DNA structure.\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=4089\" target=\"_blank\">strong hydrogen bonds<\/a>). You can see the blue region in-between the H&#8230;H region. So a strong (di)hydrogen bond then!<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_1891\" style=\"width: 310px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1891\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-11295\" onclick=\"jmolInitialize('..\/Jmol\/');jmolSetAppletColor('white');jmolApplet([450,450],'load wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/SiH_den.cub_.xyz;isosurface color blue red wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/SiH_den.cub_.jvxl;');\" alt=\"FSSF-NBO\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/HH2.jpg\" width=\"300\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-1891\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Click for 3D.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>Well, interesting, and this needs to be looked into further. For example, it might in fact be an anomalous result since the H&#8230;H region may in fact have <a title=\"The weirdest bond of all? Laplacian isosurfaces for [1.1.1]Propellane.\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=2251\" target=\"_blank\">charge-shift <\/a>character,<span id=\"cite_ITEM-11331-2\" name=\"citation\"><a href=\"#ITEM-11331-2\">[3]<\/a><\/span> which can change the characteristics of the density Hessian (and its Laplacian).\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>One more property, the NBO (natural bond orbitals) for this region. Can one tell if H&#8230;H is bonding? It might seem so. Finally, the Wiberg bond index for the H&#8230;H region is 0.027, very slightly bonding.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_1891\" style=\"width: 310px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1891\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-11295\" onclick=\"jmolInitialize('..\/Jmol\/');jmolSetAppletColor('white');jmolApplet([450,450],'load wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/SiH_mo149.cub_.xyz;isosurface color blue red wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/SiH-mo149.cub_.jvxl;');\" alt=\"SiHHSi\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/HH3.jpg\" width=\"300\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-1891\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Click for 3D.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_1891\" style=\"width: 310px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1891\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-11295\" onclick=\"jmolInitialize('..\/Jmol\/');jmolSetAppletColor('white');jmolApplet([450,450],'load wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/SiH_mo150.cub_.xyz;isosurface color blue red wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/SiH-mo150.cub_.jvxl;');\" alt=\"SiHHSi\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/HH4.jpg\" width=\"300\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-1891\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Click for 3D.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>I should conclude by stating that whilst the initial discussion of this molecule took the form of comments on Steve&#8217;s blog, the nature of the Word press system used there (and here) does not allow commentators to insert rotatable models into comments. So that discussion is continued here in order to achieve that effect.<sup>\u2021<\/sup><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p><sup>\u2021<\/sup> And yet another data-doi could be created showing the <a title=\"A two-publisher model for the scientific article: narrative+shared data.\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/?p=10998\" target=\"_blank\">interactive display<\/a>, and this could be transcluded back into Steve&#8217;s blog to continue the to and fro.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p><b>Postscript:<\/b> I have added the QTAIM analysis that first appeared on Steve&#8217;s blog. The red arrow points to the H&#8230;H bcp. The blue arrow points to one of the other (three in all) bcps, all of which are very close to a ring critical point, and hence should be regarded as unstable and prone to annihilation.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_11358\" style=\"width: 410px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-11358\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11358\" onclick=\"jmolInitialize('..\/Jmol\/');jmolSetAppletColor('white');jmolApplet([450,450],'load wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/Si-QTAIM.mol2');\" alt=\"Click for 3D.\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/Si-QTAIM.jpeg\" width=\"400\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-11358\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Click for 3D.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>The B3LYP+D3\/TZVP calculated Si-H vibrations are shown below. The VCD spectrum<span id=\"cite_ITEM-11331-3\" name=\"citation\"><a href=\"#ITEM-11331-3\">[4]<\/a><\/span> is shown below it.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_11363\" style=\"width: 410px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-11363\" class=\"size-full wp-image-11363\" onclick=\"jmolInitialize('..\/Jmol\/');jmolSetAppletColor('white');jmolApplet([450,450],'load wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/SiH.log;frame 202;vectors on;vectors 4;vectors scale 8.0;color vectors green;vibration 6;animation mode loop;');\" alt=\"Click for animation\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/Si-Vibs.jpeg\" width=\"400\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-11363\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Click for animation<\/p><\/div>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/HH-vcd.svg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-11384\" alt=\"HH-vcd\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/HH-vcd.svg\" width=\"440\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Postscript 2<\/strong>. The Si-H vibration is reported as 2325 cm<sup>-1 <\/sup>(with weak bands at ~ 2360-2380),<sup>\u00a0<\/sup>but in footnote 7 of the original report<span id=\"cite_ITEM-11331-0\" name=\"citation\"><a href=\"#ITEM-11331-0\">[1]<\/a><\/span> the authors do note that there should be two Si-H bands. The calculation shown above suggests two values, 2406 (intensity 37) and 2460, intensity 10).<\/p>\n<p>The <sup>1<\/sup>H NMR spectrum of the two Si-H bands has two singlets which are reported (but not discussed in the text anywhere) as 8.23 and 8.56 ppm (\u0394\u03b4 0.33ppm, CDCl3); B3LYP+D3\/TZVP calculation<span id=\"cite_ITEM-11331-4\" name=\"citation\"><a href=\"#ITEM-11331-4\">[5]<\/a><\/span> predicts\u00a08.79 and 9.40 (\u0394\u03b4 0.61 ppm). It is possible however these shifts are perturbed by spin-orbit coupling from the silicon<span id=\"cite_ITEM-11331-5\" name=\"citation\"><a href=\"#ITEM-11331-5\">[6]<\/a><\/span>. The diastereotopic methylene groups are reported as 4.10 and\u00a04.83, calc 3.95 and 5.03 ppm, which is a reasonable match, and gives confidence to the theoretical prediction.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter  wp-image-11382\" alt=\"Si\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ch.imperial.ac.uk\/rzepa\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/10\/Si.jpeg\" width=\"455\" height=\"356\" \/><\/p>\n<p>The <sup>29<\/sup>Si NMR is reported as -32 and -40 ppm, calculated -31.6 (for the Si-H associated with bridging S) and -39.9 (for the Si associated with bridging C) ppm, which matches very well.<\/p>\n<p>The reported <sup>1<\/sup>H NMR spectrum appears to show <sup>29<\/sup>Si\u00a0satellites but their values are not reported numerically in the article. In Ph<sub>3<\/sub>Si-H, this coupling is known to be ~\u00b1205 Hz. The <sup>29<\/sup>Si-<sup>1<\/sup>H\u00a0couplings are calculated for the compound above as -191 (for the -31.6 peak)\u00a0and -166 Hz (for the -39.9 peak), this latter being notably lower than the former. The <sup>29<\/sup>Si-<sup>29<\/sup>Si coupling is 10 Hz.\u00a0Most interestingly, the <sup>0<\/sup>J<sub>HH<\/sub> coupling (<em>i.e.<\/em> through space) is predicted as <strong>+5.4 Hz<\/strong>; there is no sign of such a coupling for the two singlets reported at 8.23 and 8.56 ppm. This last observation may be of significance in terms of whether the axis along the four atoms Si-H-H-Si is indeed linear, or whether it is bent (enabling the two hydrogens to avoid close contact).<\/p>\n<p>This problem is not yet closed!<\/p>\n<h2>References<\/h2>\n    <ol class=\"kcite-bibliography csl-bib-body\"><li id=\"ITEM-11331-0\">J. Zong, J.T. Mague, and R.A. Pascal, \"Exceptional Steric Congestion in an &lt;i&gt;in&lt;\/i&gt;,&lt;i&gt;in&lt;\/i&gt;-Bis(hydrosilane)\", <i>Journal of the American Chemical Society<\/i>, vol. 135, pp. 13235-13237, 2013. <a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1021\/ja407398w\">https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1021\/ja407398w<\/a>\n\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"ITEM-11331-1\">E.R. Johnson, S. Keinan, P. Mori-S\u00e1nchez, J. Contreras-Garc\u00eda, A.J. Cohen, and W. Yang, \"Revealing Noncovalent Interactions\", <i>Journal of the American Chemical Society<\/i>, vol. 132, pp. 6498-6506, 2010. <a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1021\/ja100936w\">https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1021\/ja100936w<\/a>\n\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"ITEM-11331-2\">S. Shaik, D. Danovich, B. Silvi, D.L. Lauvergnat, and P.C. Hiberty, \"Charge\u2010Shift Bonding\u2014A Class of Electron\u2010Pair Bonds That Emerges from Valence Bond Theory and Is Supported by the Electron Localization Function Approach\", <i>Chemistry \u2013 A European Journal<\/i>, vol. 11, pp. 6358-6371, 2005. <a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1002\/chem.200500265\">https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1002\/chem.200500265<\/a>\n\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"ITEM-11331-3\">H.S. Rzepa, \"Gaussian Job Archive for C39H32S3Si2\", 2013. <a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.6084\/m9.figshare.818954\">https:\/\/doi.org\/10.6084\/m9.figshare.818954<\/a>\n\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"ITEM-11331-4\">H.S. Rzepa, \"Gaussian Job Archive for C39H32S3Si2\", 2013. <a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.6084\/m9.figshare.817910\">https:\/\/doi.org\/10.6084\/m9.figshare.817910<\/a>\n\n<\/li>\n<li id=\"ITEM-11331-5\">D.C. Braddock, and H.S. Rzepa, \"Structural Reassignment of Obtusallenes V, VI, and VII by GIAO-Based Density Functional Prediction\", <i>Journal of Natural Products<\/i>, vol. 71, pp. 728-730, 2008. <a href=\"https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1021\/np0705918\">https:\/\/doi.org\/10.1021\/np0705918<\/a>\n\n<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n<\/div> <!-- kcite-section 11331 -->","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This is a continuation of the discussion started on Steve Bachrach&#8217;s blog about a molecule with a very short H&#8230;H interaction involving two Si-H groups with enforced proximity. It had been inferred from the X-ray structure that the H&#8230;H distance was in the region of 1.50\u00c5. It&#8217;s that cis-butene all over again! 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